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		<description><![CDATA[Okay, this is a hot and controversial topic but one I think needs to be addressed and discussed amongst professing Christians. If the bible is our authority, should we be able to make our own plan of salvation? Maybe I am missing something, best I can tell, there isn’t an example of the “sinners prayer” [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=gracecrossroads.wordpress.com&amp;blog=12383820&amp;post=121&amp;subd=gracecrossroads&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, this is a hot and controversial topic but one I think needs to be addressed and discussed amongst professing Christians. If the bible is our authority, should we be able to make our own plan of salvation? Maybe I am missing something, best I can tell, there isn’t an example of the “sinners prayer” in the New Testament. Keep in mind, the New Testament went into effect <strong>after</strong> <strong>Jesus rose from the dead</strong>. Least this is my understanding. So, if we are to find a biblical example of how one is saved <strong>today</strong>, we should look to events <strong>that occur after Jesus resurrection</strong>. This is where the rubber meets the road and where people seem to get off track.</p>
<p>Now might be a good time to discuss the beginnings of the sinners prayer…just <span style="text-decoration:underline;">where did the sinners prayer come from</span>?  If it isn’t in the bible, should we even practice the sinners prayer as a method to obtain salvation? Perhaps a more important question is, can one be saved by saying a sinners prayer, given it cannot be found in scripture? If you answer yes, then does this mean, anyone can make up their own plan of salvation? Okay, lets take a look at the birth of the sinners prayer.</p>
<p><span style="font-family:Georgia,Times New Roman;">The Cane Ridge Meeting became  the paradigm for revivalists for decades. A lawyer named Charles Finney  came along a generation later to systemize the Cane Ridge experience  through the use of Wheelock&#8217;s Mourner&#8217;s Seat and Scripture.</span></p>
<p><strong><span style="font-family:Georgia,Times New Roman;">Charles Finney</span></strong></p>
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<p style="text-align:center;"><span style="font-family:Georgia,Times New Roman;">It  wasn&#8217;t until about 1835 that Charles Grandison Finney (1792-1875)  emerged to champion the system utilized by Eleazar Wheelock. Shortly  after his own conversion he left his law practice and would become a  minister, a lecturer, a professor, and a traveling revivalist. He took  the Mourner&#8217;s Seat practice, which he called the Anxious Seat, and  developed a theological system around it. Finney was straightforward  about his purpose for this technique and wrote the following comment  near the end of his life:</span></p>
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<p><em><span style="font-family:Georgia,Times New Roman;">&#8220;The  church has always felt it necessary to have something of this kind to  answer this very purpose. In the days of the apostles, baptism answered  this purpose. The gospel was preached to the people, and then all those  who were willing to be on the side of Christ, were called out to be  baptized. It held the place that the anxious seat does now as a public  manifestation of their determination to be Christians&#8221; </span></em></p>
<p><span style="font-family:Georgia,Times New Roman;">Finney  made many enemies because of this innovation. The Anxious Seat practice  was considered to be a psychological technique that manipulated people  to make a premature profession of faith. It was considered to be an  emotional conversion influenced by some of the preachers&#8217; animal  magnetism. Certainly it was a precursor to the techniques used by many  twentieth century televangelists.</span></p>
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<blockquote><p><span style="font-family:Georgia,Times New Roman;">In opposition to Finney&#8217;s movement,<strong> John Nevin</strong>,  a Protestant minister, wrote a book called The Anxious Bench. He  intended to protect the denominations from this novel deviation. He  called Finney&#8217;s New Measures &#8220;heresy&#8221;, a &#8220;Babel of extravagance&#8221;,  &#8220;fanaticism&#8221;, and &#8220;quackery&#8221;. He also said, &#8220;With a whirlwind in full  view, we may be exhorted reasonably to consider and stand back from its  destructive path.&#8221; It turns out that Nevin was somewhat prophetic. The  system that Finney admitted had replaced biblical baptism, is the  vertebrae for the popular plan of salvation that was made normative in  the twentieth century by the three Bills &#8212; <strong>Billy Sunday</strong>, Billy Graham and Bill Bright.</span></p></blockquote>
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<p><strong><span style="font-family:Georgia,Times New Roman;">Dwight Moody and R. A. Torrey</span></strong></p>
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<blockquote><p><span style="font-family:Georgia,Times New Roman;">However,  it wasn&#8217;t until the end of Finney&#8217;s life that it became evident to  everyone and himself that the Anxious Bench approach led to a high  fallout rate. By the 1860s Dwight Moody (1837-1899) was the new apostle  in American evangelicalism. He took Finney&#8217;s system and modified it.  Instead of calling for a public decision, which tended to be a response  under pressure, he asked people to join him and his trained counselors  in a room called the Inquiry Room. Though Moody&#8217;s approach avoided some  of the errors encountered in Finneyism, it was still a derivative or  stepchild of the Anxious Bench system.</span></p></blockquote>
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<p><span style="font-family:Georgia,Times New Roman;">In the Inquiry Room the  counselors asked the possible convert some questions, taught him from  Scripture and then prayed with him. The idea that prayer was at the end  of the process had been loosely associated with conversion in the 1700s.  By the late 1800s it was standard technique for &#8216;receiving Christ&#8217; as  Moody&#8217;s influence spread across both the United States and the United  Kingdom. This was where a systematic Sinner&#8217;s Prayer began, but was not  called as such until the time of Billy Sunday.</span></p>
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<blockquote><p><span style="font-family:Georgia,Times New Roman;">R.  A. Torrey succeeded Moody&#8217;s Chicago-based ministry after his death in  1899. He modified Moody&#8217;s approach to include &#8220;on the spot&#8221; street  conversions. Torrey popularized the idea of instant salvation with no  strings attached, even though he never intended as much. Nonetheless,  &#8220;Receive Christ, now, right here&#8221; became part of the norm. From that  time on it became more common to think of salvation outside of church or  a life of Lordship.</span></p></blockquote>
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<p><strong><span style="font-family:Georgia,Times New Roman;">Billy Sunday and the Pacific Garden Mission</span></strong><span style="font-family:Georgia,Times New Roman;"><br />
Meanwhile in Chicago, Billy Sunday, a well-known baseball player from  Iowa, had been converted in the Pacific Garden Mission. The Mission was  Chicago&#8217;s most successful implementation of Moody&#8217;s scheme. Eventually,  Sunday left baseball to preach. He had great public charm and was one of  the first to mix ideas of entertainment with ministry. By the early  1900s he had become a great well-known crusade leader. In his crusades  he popularized the Finney-Moody method and included a bit of a circus  touch. After fire and brimstone sermons, heavy moralistic messages with  political overtones, and humorous if not outlandish behavior, salvation  was offered. Often it was associated with a prayer, and at other times a  person was told they were saved because they simply walked down his  tabernacle&#8217;s &#8220;sawdust trail&#8221; to the front where he was standing. In time  people were told they were saved because they publicly shook Sunday&#8217;s  hand, acknowledging that they would follow Christ. </span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:Georgia,Times New Roman;">Billy Sunday died in 1935  leaving behind hundreds of his imitators. More than anything else, Billy  Sunday helped crusades become acceptable to all denominations, which  eventually led to a change in their theology. Large religious bodies  sold out on their reservations toward these new conversion practices to  reap the benefits of potential converts from the crusades because of the  allure of success. </span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:Georgia,Times New Roman;">Both Dwight Moody and Billy  Sunday admitted they were somewhat ignorant of church history by the  time they had already latched on to their perspectives. This is highly  significant because the Anxious Seat phenomenon and offshoot practices  were not rooted in Scripture nor in the early church. </span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:Georgia,Times New Roman;"><strong>Billy Graham, Bill Bright</strong><br />
Billy Graham and his crusades were the next step in the evolution of  things. Billy Graham was converted in 1936 at a Sunday-styled crusade.  By the late 1940s it was evident to many that Graham would be the  champion of evangelicalism. His crusades summed up everything that had  been done from the times of Charles Finney through Billy Sunday except  that he added respectability that some of the others lacked. In the  1950s Graham&#8217;s crusade counselors were using a prayer that had been  sporadically used for some time. It began with a prayer from his Four  Steps to Peace with God. The original four-step formula came during  Billy Sunday&#8217;s era called in a tract called Four Things God Wants you to  Know. The altar call system of Graham had been refined by a precise  protocol of music, trained counselors and a speaking technique all  geared to help people &#8216;accept Christ as Savior.&#8217; </span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:Georgia,Times New Roman;">In the late 1950s Bill Bright  came up with the exact form of the currently popular Four Spiritual Laws  so that the average believer could take the crusade experience into the  living room of their neighbor. Of course, this method ended with the  Sinner&#8217;s Prayer. Those who responded to crusades and sermons could have  the crusade experience at home when they prayed, </span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:Georgia,Times New Roman;"><em>&#8220;Lord  Jesus, I need You. Thank You for dying on the cross for my sins. I open  the door of my life and receive You as my Savior and Lord. Thank You  for forgiving my sins and giving me eternal life. Take control of the  throne of my life. Make me the kind of person You want me to be.&#8221;</em> </span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:Georgia,Times New Roman;">Later, in 1977 Billy Graham  published a now famous work entitled, How to Be Born Again. For all the  Scripture he used, he never once uses the hallmark rebirth event in the  second chapter of the book of Acts. The cataract (blind spot) kept him  away from the most powerful conversion event in all Scripture. It is my  guess that it&#8217;s emphasis on baptism and repentance for the forgiveness  of sins was incompatible with his approach.  This section was borrowed from <a href="http://www.bible.ca/g-sinners-prayer.htm">Here</a></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:Georgia,Times New Roman;">Now, back to the big question. Can one be saved by saying a sinners prayer?<br />
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		<description><![CDATA[If God saves one from hell, granting the sinner “new life” from above, how does one become unsaved if he lacks the ability to save himself to begin with. I mean, if we lack the power to save ourselves then it seems reasonable that we cannot unsave ourselves. Least this is how some arguments go [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=gracecrossroads.wordpress.com&amp;blog=12383820&amp;post=106&amp;subd=gracecrossroads&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
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<p><a href="http://gracecrossroads.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/abc.jpg"><img class="alignleft size-full wp-image-117" title="abc" src="http://gracecrossroads.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/abc.jpg?w=468" alt=""   /></a>If  God saves one from hell, granting the sinner “new life” from above, how  does one become unsaved if he lacks the ability to save himself to  begin with. I mean, if we lack the power to save ourselves then it seems  reasonable that we cannot unsave ourselves. Least this is how some  arguments go on this topic from those in favor of Once Saved Always  Saved.</p>
<p>If  a sinner can become a saint, how many sins does it take before he  becomes a sinner again? Most all professing Christians acknowledge their  weakness in regards to sinning thus a need for a continual cleansing as  they walk in the light. Those I have been affiliated with rest upon 1  John 1:9 as a means to clean the slate or walking in the light.  They say as long as you ask for forgiveness, you’re in the light, but  once you start “practicing sin” and refusing to confess them&#8212;-ask for  forgiveness, at this point you are not walking in the light, but in  darkness. God forbid you forget about some sins or maybe not even be  aware of a sin committed, I’m not sure how those sins are covered.</p>
<p>Since  some say we must continually ask for forgiveness, it seems Jesus’ Blood  wasn’t enough as a one time event for cleansing. Either He provided a  sacrifice pleasing to God or He didn’t. Having to constantly ask for  forgiveness seems like trampling the Blood of Christ, making a mockery out of His work. When they put blood on the door post in the Old Testament,  were they covered and protected or were they covered only if they were  without sin. Was not the blood the thing looked for or was in  sinlessness? If one had not blood on their door post what became of them  vs. those who applied blood to their door post. Now bring this to the  Blood of Jesus. Is not His blood much more than blood on a door post?  When God looks at the saint—the one He saves, does he look at what Jesus  done or is he grading them on how well they live without sin?</p>
<p>Before anyone gets the notion that I am promoting lawless behavior, I will repeat the words of Paul. God Forbid!  May it never be so. I am not saying one should profess Christ and then  live like the devil. Matter of fact, I am not even saying I agree with  Eternal Security. I am merely laying out some of my thoughts on the  subject. Obviously, Paul preached Grace to such extreme that people  misunderstood him thus his need to correct their thinking when he  addressed the Roman Christians. Some obviously were <a href="http://gracecrossroads.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/eternal-security.jpg"><img class="alignright size-full wp-image-114" title="eternal security" src="http://gracecrossroads.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/eternal-security.jpg?w=468" alt=""   /></a>thinking they could  sin that Grace would abound. They understood how Jesus covered sin, but  misunderstood what being a Christ-like person is all about. In his  letter to the Romans he seems to shoot for balance on this subject. He  didn’t want to go so far that people would resort to legalistic thinking  nor did he want to go to the opposite extreme and cause people to think  “shall we sin that Grace abounds.”</p>
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